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04/08/2015 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:31:09 PM Start
03:31:37 PM Confirmation Hearings: Board of Fisheries
05:05:31 PM Adjourn
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Board of Fisheries:
Robert Ruffner, Orville Huntington
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 8, 2015                                                                                          
                           3:13 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Mia Costello, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Stoltze                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Board of Fisheries                                                                                                  
            Robert Ruffner - Soldotna                                                                                           
            Orville Huntington - Huslia                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT RUFFNER, Appointee                                                                                                       
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as re-appointee to the Board of                                                                 
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ORVILLE HUNTINGTON, Appointee                                                                                                   
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Huslia, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as re-appointee to the Board of                                                                 
Fisheries.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LESLIE MORTON, President                                                                                                        
Board of Directors                                                                                                              
Kenai Watershed Forum                                                                                                           
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Mr. Ruffner's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TOM CORR, representing himself                                                                                                  
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Mr. Ruffner's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REED MORISKY, representing himself                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  Mr. Huntington's  appointment to                                                             
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RICK COOK, City Manager                                                                                                         
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Supported   Mr.  Huntington's   and  Mr.                                                             
Ruffner's re-appointment to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT KRAMER, representing himself                                                                                             
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  Mr. Ruffner's  re-appointment to                                                             
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE LITTLE, representing herself                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  Mr. Ruffner's  re-appointment to                                                             
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARTIN LUNDE, lobbyist                                                                                                          
Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Supported   Mr.  Huntington's   and  Mr.                                                             
Ruffner's re-appointment to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ED SCHMITT, Chairman                                                                                                            
Kenai Area Fishermen's Coalition (KAFC)                                                                                         
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  Mr. Ruffner's  re-appointment to                                                             
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH-RAYMAND SKRHA, representing himself                                                                                      
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Mr. Ruffner's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN GABRIELLE, Vice Mayor                                                                                                     
Representing the Kenai Mayor and City Council                                                                                   
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Said Resolution  2014 was unanimously passed                                                             
supporting the appointment of Mr.  Ruffner to the Alaska Board of                                                               
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MIKE NAVARRE, Mayor                                                                                                             
Kenai Peninsula Borough                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  Mr. Ruffner's  re-appointment to                                                             
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:31  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Coghill,  Costello,  Stedman, Stoltze,  and                                                               
Chair Giessel.                                                                                                                  
^Confirmation Hearings: Board of Fisheries                                                                                      
                      CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                  
                       Board of Fisheries                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
3:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  announced  the consideration  of  the  governor's                                                               
appointees to the  Board of Fisheries and invited  Mr. Ruffner to                                                               
the table. He  was appointed on March 23 and  his term expires on                                                               
June 30,  2015. His reappointment  would be effective on  July 1,                                                               
2015, for a term that expires in June 2019.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  RUFFNER,   re-appointee  to   the  Board   of  Fisheries,                                                               
Soldotna, Alaska,  said he knows  how important fisheries  are in                                                               
the State of Alaska and he is honored to serve on it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:32:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE joined the committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER  said he is 46  years old, had lived  in Alaska since                                                               
1996 and  had been married  for 22  years. He graduated  from the                                                               
University of Minnesota with a focus  on geology and always had a                                                               
passion for rivers. He did  modeling and statistical work in grad                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
When Mr. Ruffner moved to Alaska,  he came for the life style and                                                               
the adventure, but he found himself  looking for a job. He became                                                               
a director for  a non-profit that helped watersheds  on the Kenai                                                               
Peninsula. It has been in his  job since 1997. He has also served                                                               
on the  Planning Commission and  the Road Service Area  Board for                                                               
the Kenai Peninsula Borough.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:35:20 PM                                                                                                                    
He harvests  most of his fish  in the Kenai and  Kasilof personal                                                               
use (PU)  fishery and has been  doing rod and reel  fishing since                                                               
he was  a kid;  he has caught  all species of  salmon as  well as                                                               
other species. He  commercial fished in the mid to  late 90s on a                                                               
Cook Inlet drift gillnet boat.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:36:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RUFFNER  said  he  felt   that  he  could  make  a  positive                                                               
contribution to  the board  because of  his commitment  to public                                                               
service and ongoing interest in  Alaska's fisheries statewide. He                                                               
believes  in  the Sustainable  Salmon  Policies  that guides  the                                                               
board's decisions. He  knew this would be a  challenging job, but                                                               
he knows the players. The Board  of Fisheries is unique and he is                                                               
committed to that process.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:41:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  disclosed that  he  knows  Mr. Ruffner  having                                                               
served with him  on the Kenai Peninsula  Fish Habitat Partnership                                                               
Steering Committee  and having partnered  with him  on industrial                                                               
projects and pipeline work.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN wondered if he owns any power boats.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER  said he  has access to  several power  boats through                                                               
his employment and he owns a raft with a kicker.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  commented  that  he didn't  know  why  Mr.                                                               
Ruffner wanted  this job,  but appreciated  him offering  to take                                                               
it.  His community  is very  reliant  on sport  and personal  use                                                               
fishing and  dip netting in the  Kenai River. They don't  fish in                                                               
the  Mat-Su  Valley very  much,  "because  the fish  just  aren't                                                               
there." The big underlying issue  is the balance that has existed                                                               
on the  board, which  some have said  has existed  since Governor                                                               
Hickel, with  three sport fish  interests, three  commercial fish                                                               
interests and a  subsistence interest. The debate is  going on as                                                               
to  whether that  is still  something that  should be  done. Most                                                               
people would agree  that the person before him held  a sport fish                                                               
seat. Anchorage  has been represented  for decades and  now there                                                               
is no  Anchorage person.  He asked Mr.  Ruffner if  he identified                                                               
himself  as a  sport fish  person and  should the  board continue                                                               
that balance or is it time to change?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER  reflected that  the  rules  that govern  allocation                                                               
decisions are  important. Each  criterion is  weighed differently                                                               
depending  on  the fishery,  one  of  them  being the  number  of                                                               
participants. For popular fisheries,  urban populations will have                                                               
to be weighed heavily.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  Senator Stoltze  has a  bill to  give                                                               
personal use a  fishing priority and asked what  he thought about                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER answered that he is  a dip netter and appreciates the                                                               
sentiment, but the  Sustainable Salmon Policy says  the burden of                                                               
conservation  should   be  shared  by  all   fisheries  in  close                                                               
proportion  to  each  fishery's respective  use  consistent  with                                                               
state and federal law. This means  when it comes time to conserve                                                               
these fish that they all need to share in that.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  stated  that   personal  use  should  have                                                               
priority.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER said  subsistence is already a  priority and creating                                                               
another  priority   for  king  salmon   would  be   difficult  to                                                               
implement, because there is some  harvest of king salmon in times                                                               
of low abundance  in the commercial fishery now, but  not for PU.                                                               
Another consideration is if people  feel like they need more area                                                               
on the Kenai River because it  is getting crowded would the board                                                               
be obligated  to evaluate  that and allow  more area  for sockeye                                                               
dipnetting. The immediate  concern is that when  Chinook runs are                                                               
good,  sport fishermen  fish very  close  to the  line where  the                                                               
personal use fishery starts, which could lead to conflicts.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:49:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STOLTZE   asked  the  substantive   differences  between                                                               
personal  use and  subsistence fisheries,  because  they are  the                                                               
only two Alaska resident fisheries.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER  answered that  subsistence has  been decided  by the                                                               
courts,  but he  believes  that Alaskans  should  come first.  He                                                               
would  want  to  consider  how   much  participation  comes  from                                                               
Alaskans and from people outside of  Alaska, and he would want to                                                               
make  sure the  smaller commercial  boats in  coastal areas  have                                                               
their times and areas to fish.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE observed that the  governor wants the board to be                                                               
represented by a  majority of commercial interests  and asked why                                                               
they should  view this  appointment as  being different  than the                                                               
previous one. He sees the exact same people supporting him.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER said  that he hadn't heard what  Senator Stoltze said                                                               
and reiterated that he has  zero financial interest in commercial                                                               
fish, one  distinction between him  and the previous  nominee. It                                                               
is  important to  maintain  balance on  the  Board of  Fisheries,                                                               
because  they   draw  from  the  allocation   criteria  that  the                                                               
legislature  has  passed  that   include  the  histories  of  the                                                               
fisheries  and the  number of  participants,  both which  reflect                                                               
heavily on sport  fishing. He said Alaska is a  big state and for                                                               
a board  member to readily  identify himself  in one camp  or the                                                               
other is not the way to proceed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE  asked  what  his past  position  on  catch  and                                                               
release was and if it had changed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:56:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RUFFNER  answered that  he  has  participated in  catch  and                                                               
release fisheries, but  he doesn't do it very  much, because once                                                               
he  catches a  fish he  doesn't feel  the need  to keep  catching                                                               
them. But he  related that in visiting other parts  of the world,                                                               
most recently, Costa  Rica, where he fished for  tarpon, a trophy                                                               
fish, he  had spent a fair  amount of money and  helped out their                                                               
economy.  So,  he personally  doesn't  have  any difficulty  with                                                               
catch and release fisheries.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN said  commercial fishing  creates jobs,  employs                                                               
thousands of people  on the coast and is good  for the economy of                                                               
the State  of Alaska.  It has  been one  of the  steadiest income                                                               
producing  sections of  the economy  for  over 100  years and  he                                                               
hoped  Mr. Ruffner's  zero interest  in commercial  fishing would                                                               
broaden, because of that.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
On the subject of subsistence and  priority use, he said it would                                                               
be just as dangerous to  have a commercial priority, because most                                                               
of his district doesn't have the  opportunity to go to Costco and                                                               
some  communities don't  have the  cash to  go to  the store.  He                                                               
wanted to  know his  thoughts on  subsistence lifestyles  in some                                                               
areas in the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:59:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RUFFNER  said that  the  word  "financial"  was not  in  his                                                               
statement  about  his  "zero stake  in  commercial  fishing."  He                                                               
doesn't have  a lot  of experience living  in those  rural areas,                                                               
but  recognize  what Senator  Stedman  was  saying and  would  be                                                               
respectful  of communities  that don't  have much  cash in  their                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked how he  feels about personal use fisheries                                                               
being  shut down  in Kasilof  without the  other fisheries  being                                                               
restricted, too.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER replied  that he really wants to share  the burden as                                                               
provided in  the Sustainable Fisheries  Policy. In that  case, it                                                               
wouldn't  make any  sense  to  shut down  the  PU fishery  before                                                               
shutting the commercial fishery, because  they harvest a lot more                                                               
fish.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE said  he is  unaware of  any time  the personal                                                               
fishery has  been shut  down since it  opened, although  the city                                                               
manager  in the  audience was  indicating once.  He asked  if Mr.                                                               
Ruffner was  aware of any  restrictions that haven't  been paired                                                               
where PU is shut down last.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RUFFNER replied  that he'll agree with the  city manager, but                                                               
he didn't remember it happening.  It's important to have personal                                                               
use opportunities and  he didn't want those to be  taken away out                                                               
of proportion to the total harvest of fish.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked how he felt  about the addition of  a new                                                               
subsistence impact on the upper  Kenai River that is important to                                                               
every user group on the Kenai.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER answered that  it's a bad idea to do  it in the Kenai                                                               
River, because  those fisheries are  in federal waters,  where it                                                               
is inappropriate for  that gear type. Other gear  types should be                                                               
and have been  used. Dip nets have been available  in the Russian                                                               
River and  outside of the normal  PU area along stretches  of the                                                               
Kenai River, but  those opportunities had not  been utilized very                                                               
fully  because   of  the  potential  to   harm  other  fisheries,                                                               
specifically  Rainbow  Trout and  Dolly  Varden,  that have  very                                                               
strict regulations.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  the  Kenai and  Kasilof PU  fisheries                                                               
have  increased in  recent years  to the  point of  being out  of                                                               
control and asked  if he supported any of the  proposals to limit                                                               
boat use, cut the  number of fish that can be  taken or to charge                                                               
fees.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER replied  no, particularly  to limit  the catch.  His                                                               
family of four will  eat 40-50 fish and the PU  limit is 55 fish,                                                               
which is  an appropriate  number. In places  where the  volume of                                                               
people coming to  the Kenai River have increased  the board tried                                                               
to  protect  the sensitive  areas  through  securing funding  for                                                               
fencing  and signage  and coming  up with  appropriate rules  for                                                               
staying out  of the coastal  dune features that protect  the City                                                               
of Kenai from eroding away.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The Department of  Natural Resources (DNR) owned  the property on                                                               
the  Kasilof River  and the  Division of  Mining, Land  and Water                                                               
managed the  land. People were  using those areas very  heavily -                                                               
camping and  riding vehicles in  dunes and areas that  were doing                                                               
damage - so,  they worked with the state,  the Kasilof Historical                                                               
Society  and the  legislature to  get some  funding to  construct                                                               
some fencing  that would  keep people out  of the  more sensitive                                                               
areas but  continue to allow them  to camp on the  beach and have                                                               
access to the fisheries.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:07:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  Mr.  Ruffner  agreed with  those                                                               
windows  for  the  drift  fleet  closures  so  that  Southcentral                                                               
Anchorage and  MatSu/Eagle River dip netters  could fish, usually                                                               
Friday through Saturday or Sunday.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER  said he  in  general  agreed  with the  concept  of                                                               
limiting  commercial gear  in the  days  preceding weekends,  but                                                               
wanted to look at data to  see how effective the windows are. The                                                               
jury is still out on that.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  quipped that  he hoped  if Mr.  Ruffner was                                                               
approved that  he would make  sure there was fish  coming through                                                               
on the weekends.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER responded  that he would try and added  that he has a                                                               
20-year track record of putting the fish first.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  emergency openers  are a  frustration                                                               
when people take the weekend off  or go down during the week when                                                               
it's expected to  be closed and there is an  emergency opener the                                                               
day before.  It's, at least,  perceived that the fish  are caught                                                               
and  don't get  through to  people who  have made  the trip  down                                                               
there.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:10:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RUFFNER said  he was a believer in using  firm data to manage                                                               
escapement  goals  that  have  proven  to  be  good  for  maximum                                                               
sustained yield. So,  he didn't want to  constrain the department                                                               
by limiting their  authority for emergency openings  on the Kenai                                                               
River. He was more concerned  about the emergency openings around                                                               
the Kasilof  River because of trying  to get more Chinook  to the                                                               
Kenai and where the managers feel  like they have had to exercise                                                               
more emergency openings in the  special harvest area at the mouth                                                               
of the  river. That fishery  makes him nervous, because  there is                                                               
very little  to no  data on the  Chinook entering  there. Special                                                               
harvest areas are terminal in nature  and are designed to catch a                                                               
lot of fish and don't discriminate between sockeye and Chinook.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE   asked  what   he  speculates  is   the  reason                                                               
conservation groups are interested in having him on the board.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER said  he hadn't  paid much  attention, but  he hoped                                                               
they   were  looking   at  his   successful  record   of  solving                                                               
environmental  issues by  working with  environmental groups  and                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL asked if he was  familiar with the low returns of                                                               
Chinook on the Yukon/Tanana and Koyukuk Rivers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER answered only a "very  tiny bit." When he applied for                                                               
this job  he tried to  walk around  the different areas  in which                                                               
the board meets and tried to  learn a little bit about each area.                                                               
When he got  to the Kuskokwim he recognized that  it was "another                                                               
animal" than what he was more familiar with.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  that some  subsistence folks  can get  the                                                               
best of  both worlds on  the Yukon  and can probably  more easily                                                               
get commercial drift  nets, but a lot of Interior  people have to                                                               
go  far and  wide to  get their  subsistence, because  the Tanana                                                               
River is highly impacted by what goes on in the Yukon River.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The Gulkana area in the Copper  River is highly impacted by those                                                               
PU  and subsistence  fish  rather than  commercial  fish. So,  it                                                               
probably has  a highly contentious  zone with regard to  the fast                                                               
incoming runs. Had he looked into the different dynamics there?                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER promised him he would  do his homework, but asked him                                                               
to clarify if  he was referring specifically to  the Copper River                                                               
subsistence and Chuitna dip net fisheries.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL answered yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER said he floated on a  raft by the Copper River on his                                                               
way to Cordova and was  encouraged that the limits were increased                                                               
in the last  cycle. Fairbanks friends have  related their stories                                                               
about getting permits and fishing down there.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL remarked  that they  are probably  recipients of                                                               
some benefits from commercial fishing  in that the Prince William                                                               
Sound has a fish hatchery north  of the Copper River. He said the                                                               
fact that  Fairbanks and  Glennallen-up-to-Delta depend  upon two                                                               
systems  of rivers  is pretty  significant whereas  Anchorage has                                                               
the one fishery crowded around the Kasilof and the Kenai.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He asked Mr. Ruffner why he quit his previous employment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER replied  that he  helped found  the Kenai  Watershed                                                               
Forum and  believes strongly in  its mission, but he  had planned                                                               
on stepping  down from being director  for quite a while,  but he                                                               
wanted  something challenging  and intellectually  stimulating to                                                               
do next.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE said he wouldn't  fish, because boats were trying                                                               
to drown  or swamp fishermen  and asked  what the board  could do                                                               
about that.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:24:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RUFFNER  responded that he  hadn't seen that happen,  but had                                                               
heard from a number of  people that it does. Intentionally trying                                                               
to harm another individual in  any situation is criminal behavior                                                               
and they should be prosecuted.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE  related  his experience  with  gillnetters  who                                                               
almost drowned some Anchorage individuals.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said 29  people  were  on  line and  clearly  the                                                               
committee would not make it through  all of them and invited them                                                               
to  email  their  written  testimony   to  her  office.  All  the                                                               
testimony will go online with these appointees.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO said  she heard great things about  him, but the                                                               
biggest concern  is changing the  balance of the board  and asked                                                               
if that is a valid concern.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER  replied that it  is a  valid concern for  people who                                                               
perceive he  will not represent  the sport fishing view,  but the                                                               
reality  is that  he  will support  the  sport fishing  community                                                               
following the  allocation criteria.  He fully realizes  the value                                                               
of sport fishing in his community.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  he  had a  number  of questions,  but                                                               
would ask them in the State Affairs Committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  noted a  pile of  diverse support  letters from                                                               
every city  on the  Kenai and  invited him to  tell about  how he                                                               
brought folks together on the Kenai hydrocarbon problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER related  that the  problem started  with maintaining                                                               
water  quality  on  the  Kenai   River,  but  no  data  had  been                                                               
collected. So,  he asked for  everyone to  pony up some  money to                                                               
collect  comprehensive  data. The  base  line  data led  them  to                                                               
discover up to  several hundred gallons of  gasoline being dumped                                                               
into the  Kenai River  a day.  They then  worked with  every user                                                               
group to understand  the problem. It took a while,  but they used                                                               
science to inform their decision  and that is what brought people                                                               
together.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  said Cook Inlet  is challenging, because  a lot                                                               
of people  fish in a  small area that has  a good amount  of fish                                                               
and a couple of rivers that  are pretty challenged, and asked how                                                               
he was going to use data  to ensure a better return when possible                                                               
to the rivers of the Mat-Su Borough,  which is where a lot of the                                                               
friction comes from.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUFFNER  said  he  is  going  to  use  data,  but  the  most                                                               
challenging part  of his job  as a scientist will  be recognizing                                                               
that they don't have the data  they wished they had to make their                                                               
decisions. They  do know that  the Valley has about  eight stocks                                                               
of concern  of varying  degrees of severity.  He will  weigh that                                                               
very  heavily as  a guy  who puts  fish first.  Concerns are  for                                                               
yield, which means  excess amount of fish that  are available for                                                               
harvest. But  if they get  to the point of  conservation concerns                                                               
he will use  that data very carefully to make  sure the fish will                                                               
be used to sustain the runs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if he  is willing to  restrict commercial                                                               
fishing  if  the  data  proves that  returns  are  challenged  to                                                               
northern district rivers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER replied  absolutely, and he doesn't care  if he loses                                                               
his  job over  it, because  it's more  important to  maintain the                                                               
state's fisheries.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE   said  he  heard   that  Mr.  Ruffner   is  an                                                               
environmental extremist and  asked him to talk about  some of his                                                               
partnerships with  industry he  has been  partnered with  for the                                                               
last 12 years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUFFNER replied that people can  label him any way they want,                                                               
but he is proud of his  record of environmental work. People need                                                               
to look at the  facts. He raised a lot of money  from the oil and                                                               
gas industry receiving close to  $1 million from Chevron, Unocal,                                                               
ConocoPhillips, Apache,  HilCorp, Tesoro, and more.  He said that                                                               
right now  Apache is trying  to build a  road to access  some oil                                                               
and gas and  they are going to cross some  salmon streams and his                                                               
organization is who  they called to help figure  out a mitigation                                                               
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:37:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL thanked  him and  invited Mr.  Huntington to  come                                                               
forward.  She said  he was  appointed in  July 2012  and his  re-                                                               
appointment  would be  effective on  July  2015 for  a term  that                                                               
expires in June 2018.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:38:46 PM                                                                                                                    
ORVILLE  HUNTINGTON,  re-appointee  to the  Board  of  Fisheries,                                                               
Huslia, Alaska,  said he  serves as  Wildlife and  Parks Director                                                               
for  the Tanana  Chiefs Conference.  The key  issues for  him are                                                               
personal use and subsistence. He grew  up with it for 59 years in                                                               
the cultural context of his  Athabascan ways. He also understands                                                               
adaptation  to  city  life.  Family and  friends  have  moved  to                                                               
Anchorage and Fairbanks and they have to be taken care of, too.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  was a  commercial fisherman  for 20  years before  his permit                                                               
sunsetted. He has  a lot of board experience to  draw from as his                                                               
Dad, Sydney Huntington served one term  on the board and one term                                                               
in the legislature. His uncle served  two decades on the Board of                                                               
Game. So, he knows a lot about politics, too.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUNTINGTON said  he relies  on  science and  has a  wildlife                                                               
biology degree from the University  of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF). He                                                               
bases his  decisions on  science not  guessing and  has a  lot of                                                               
traditional history to back up the science.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:41:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STOLTZE thanked him for  carrying on the tradition of his                                                               
family  embodied  by  his  father,  Sydney  Huntington,  who  was                                                               
awarded for public service.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said he hoped  he got appointed and  brings more                                                               
good information  from the  Interior river ways  to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE thanked Mr. Huntington for reapplying.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:43:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL,  finding  no  further  questions,  opened  public                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
LESLIE  MORTON, President,  Board of  Directors, Kenai  Watershed                                                               
Forum, Kenai, Alaska, supported  Mr. Ruffner's appointment to the                                                               
Board  of   Fisheries  saying  he  is   their  current  executive                                                               
director.  Their  mission statement  is  working  together for  a                                                               
healthy watershed on the Kenai  Peninsula. The forum has a three-                                                               
part approach:  research, restoration and education.  The members                                                               
established  and  maintain  comprehensive  research  programs  to                                                               
provide quality  data to  expand the  knowledge of  watershed and                                                               
fish  habitat. The  Kenai Watershed  Forum works  to restore  and                                                               
repair conditions  that threaten  the long  term health  of their                                                               
watershed  and  their  education   programs  reach  thousands  of                                                               
students annually.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In order to meet their goal  of working together and investing in                                                               
their community, the Kenai Watershed  Forum has always strived to                                                               
have a  balanced board of  directors. The current  board consists                                                               
of two  commercial fishermen, two  sport fishermen, and she  is a                                                               
dip netter  with no  financial stake  in commercial  fishing. The                                                               
board  also   has  educators,  small  business   owners,  medical                                                               
professionals and  contractors. At  no time has  the board  had a                                                               
majority of commercial fishermen.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She  said that  Mr. Ruffner  had dedicated  his professional  and                                                               
much  of his  personal  life  to improving  the  quality of  fish                                                               
habitat. While executive  director of the Watershed  Forum he has                                                               
personally  been responsible  for  the restoration  of miles  and                                                               
miles  salmon  habitats  through  culvert  replacement  and  fish                                                               
passages. He  is not one-sided.  He is actively involved  in many                                                               
aspects of  their community  and is  well-respected on  the Kenai                                                               
Peninsula.  For  example,  Mr.  Ruffner  was  the  2008  Soldotna                                                               
Chamber of Commerce person of the year.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Most important,  his willingness to reserve  judgement and listen                                                               
carefully to all sides before  reaching a decision makes him well                                                               
suited to serve on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM CORR,  representing himself, Soldotna, Alaska,  supported Mr.                                                               
Ruffner's appointment to the Board  of Fisheries. He lives on the                                                               
Kenai River and is a 58-year  resident of Alaska. He supports Mr.                                                               
Ruffner because  he will  represent the fish,  not a  user group.                                                               
But he will support all user groups fairly.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:46:43 PM                                                                                                                    
REED MORISKY, representing  himself, Fairbanks, Alaska, supported                                                               
Mr. Huntington's appointment  to the Board of  Fisheries. He said                                                               
Mr. Huntington had served on  the board with distinction, showing                                                               
that he  has the  ability and skills  to make  balanced decisions                                                               
regarding   fisheries  resources.   His  cultural   knowledge  is                                                               
unsurpassed  and has  been a  great benefit  to all  Alaskans, in                                                               
particular,  to  the board  when  decisions  are being  made.  He                                                               
consistently completes  the due  diligence necessary to  make the                                                               
decisions  to   fairly  regulate   and  allocate   the  fisheries                                                               
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:47:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RICK COOK,  City Manager,  Kenai, Alaska,  said the  City Council                                                               
unanimously   passed  a   resolution   strongly  supporting   Mr.                                                               
Ruffner's  appointment  to  the  Board of  Fisheries.  They  also                                                               
supported   Mr.   Huntington's  appointment.   His   professional                                                               
accomplishments  as executive  director  of  the Kenai  Watershed                                                               
Forum are impressive.  They city has worked with him  on a number                                                               
of  fish related  issues. For  example, he  provided the  wisdom,                                                               
foresight and  leadership to solve the  hydrocarbon water quality                                                               
issue in  the Kenai  River that  had been  listed as  an impaired                                                               
water body by  the Environmental Protection Agency  (EPA). In two                                                               
years his  leadership resulted in  the Kenai River  being removed                                                               
from the  EPA's water  body listing. This  required him  to bring                                                               
together a lot of diverse interests.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Without exception,  Mr. Ruffner's  goals and interests  have been                                                               
based in  what is in the  best interests of the  resource. He has                                                               
never been  a representative  of an industry  or a  specific user                                                               
group.  He is  the  member of  the Board  of  Fisheries that  the                                                               
framers  of Alaska's  Constitution envisioned  when creating  the                                                               
board process.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COOK  noted  that  the  City of  Kenai  also  supported  Mr.                                                               
Huntington. He is a wonderful  representative who is approachable                                                               
and willing  to share his  unique knowledge related  to fisheries                                                               
issues with the city.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:50:18 PM                                                                                                                    
DWIGHT  KRAMER, representing  himself,  Kenai, Alaska,  supported                                                               
Mr. Ruffner's re-appointment  to the Board of Fisheries.    He is                                                               
a  private  angler  sport  fisherman  from  Kenai  and  had  been                                                               
involved with the  Board of Fisheries in Upper  Cook Inlet issues                                                               
since 2002 and had not  witnessed a better qualified candidate to                                                               
step  forward for  a  seat on  the Board  of  Fisheries than  Mr.                                                               
Ruffner. He has always respected  him for his knowledge, openness                                                               
and integrity.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruffner  is  also  a  very  compassionate  person.  When  he                                                               
realized that  his efforts  to reduce  hydrocarbons in  the Kenai                                                               
River  would  disenfranchise   many  participants  that  couldn't                                                               
afford to switch  to a four-stroke motor he took  it upon himself                                                               
to  acquire grants  and funding  for a  buy-back program  to help                                                               
with the financial burden on these users.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He has a  good understanding of the relationship  with respect to                                                               
resources and management  for all the user groups. He  will be an                                                               
invaluable  asset   to  the  board  because   of  his  scientific                                                               
background and  knowledge of Kenai  River and Cook  Inlet fishery                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:52:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SUZANNE   LITTLE,   representing  herself,   Anchorage,   Alaska,                                                               
supported   Mr.  Ruffner's   re-appointment  to   the  Board   of                                                               
Fisheries. She is a former  Alaska State Senator elected to serve                                                               
people from the Kenai Peninsula  and Mr. Ruffner was her neighbor                                                               
for almost two decades. She knows him  to be a fine man, a person                                                               
of  great  integrity,   and  one  who  works   to  help  opposing                                                               
viewpoints  find common  ground  and  a way  forward.  This is  a                                                               
unique ability.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Using  science  in building  common  ground  he has  quietly  and                                                               
respectfully accomplished  big goals  for the  good of  the Kenai                                                               
River again and again. He  has a solid reputation of level-headed                                                               
leadership and  bringing opposing sides together.  He cares about                                                               
all fish, their health and the habitat that supports them.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LITTLE  said "assigned  seating"  was  not intended  in  the                                                               
originating legislation for  the board nor is it the  best way to                                                               
manage  the resource.  Mr. Ruffner  will  prioritize science  and                                                               
decision making on behalf of Alaska's fisheries resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARTIN  LUNDE, lobbyist,  Southeast  Alaska Seiners  Association,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska, supported Mr. Huntington's  and Mr. Ruffner's re-                                                               
appointment  to   the  Board  of  Fisheries,   because  they  are                                                               
committed  to  the protection  of  the  resource, which  provides                                                               
their means of income.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:55:58 PM                                                                                                                    
ED SCHMITT,  Chairman, Kenai  Area Fishermen's  Coalition (KAFC),                                                               
Soldotna, Alaska,  supported Mr. Ruffner's re-appointment  to the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.  The coalition  represents "Joe  Fisherman,"                                                               
all  people who  fish on  the Kenai  Peninsula and  its board  is                                                               
comprised mostly  of retired state  and federal  fish biologists;                                                               
its  members are  avid  dip netters,  sport  fishermen and  river                                                               
ecologists.  From  a lifetime  of  training,  he recognizes  good                                                               
practical scientists and Mr. Ruffner is an excellent scientist.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH-RAYMAND  SKRHA,   representing  himself,   Kenai,  Alaska,                                                               
supported Mr.  Ruffner. He  is an  extremely good  negotiator and                                                               
has a  way of bringing adverse  sides together. This is  what the                                                               
board needs for the best interests of the fish.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:00:08 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN  GABRIELLE, Vice  Mayor,  Kenai,  Alaska, representing  the                                                               
Kenai  Mayor   and  City  Council,   said  Resolution   2014  was                                                               
unanimously passed  supporting the appointment of  Mr. Ruffner to                                                               
the Alaska  Board of  Fisheries. He embodies  the type  of person                                                               
who should be considered for this  position. He spent the past 18                                                               
years as the Executive Director  of the Kenai Watershed Forum and                                                               
was instrumental  in identifying  issues and barriers  related to                                                               
successful fish  propagation throughout  the Kenai  Peninsula. He                                                               
is a good  steward of the resource, has  the experience necessary                                                               
to make  sound decisions based  on scientific information  and he                                                               
is fair to all user groups.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  NAVARRE,  Mayor,  Kenai Peninsula  Borough,  supported  Mr.                                                               
Ruffner's re-appointment to  the Board of Fisheries.  He does his                                                               
homework and is a good consensus builder.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:04:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  thanked everyone for  their testimony  and finding                                                               
no  questions,   said  in  accordance  with   AS  39.05.080,  the                                                               
Resources  Committee reviewed  the following  and recommends  the                                                               
appointments be  forwarded to a joint  session for consideration:                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries:  Orville  Huntington  (Huslia)  and  Robert                                                               
Ruffner (Soldotna).  This does  not reflect an  intent by  any of                                                               
the members to vote for or against the confirmation of the                                                                      
individuals during any further sessions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
5:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL adjourned the Senate Resources Committee meeting                                                                  
at 5:05 p.m.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Resume-Orville Huntington.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Huntington Board of Fisheries
Resume-Robert Ruffner.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Huntington Board of Fisheries
Ruffner Support Letter-Brad Elfers.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-City of Seward.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-ASA.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-City of Soldotna Resolution.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-Kenaitze Indian Tribe.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner-Assorted Letter Support-Opposition.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-Aaron Cooper.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-SEAS.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-ATA.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Huntington Support-ATA.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-City of Kenai Resolution.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Huntington Ruffner Support - Todd Smith.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-Rich Koch.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner-Support-Opposition-4-8-2015.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-Brian Gabriel.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Huntington Support-YDFDA.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM
Ruffner Support-BBEDC.pdf SRES 4/8/2015 3:30:00 PM